View Poll Results: What changes would you make to the U.S. gun regulations

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  • Make tougher requirements to own a gun

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  • Ban ALL guns

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  • Only allow guns for hunting or home protection

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  • No new laws needed, enforce the laws we have now.

    25 39.06%
  • Make the gun laws uniform throughout all states

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    Those of us who frequent the GF is most likely aware of the debate that have been going on since the tragic shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut. With a sad heart, and far too many of these horrid mass shootings happening in the U.S. we all are faced with the undeniable truth that gun control (regulation) must be discussed. This subject is a touchy subject for those of us who own guns, and just as enraging to those who feel guns have no place in modern day societies. After reading the opinions of many of my phun brother/sisters, I felt compelled to create this thread so that we can all come together and voice our opinions. So far in post already made on the subject in other threads, even though members feel very strongly about one side or the other, everyone have been able to keep their composure and not explode in a complete and utter onslaught of rage. Hopefully in this thread that will continue to be the case. If things begin to go a muck, Im sure a mod can put an end to it quickly and close the thread.

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    Below is a timeline of mass shootings in America since the Columbine shooting in 1999.

    On Friday morning ( Dec 14, 2012 ), 27 people were reportedly shot and killed at Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, CT. According to sources, 18 of these casualties were children. This is the second mass shooting in the US this week, after a gunman opened fire in an Oregon shopping mall on Tuesday, killing 2. ABC News reports that there have been 31 school shootings in the US since Columbine in 1999, when 13 people were killed.

    The rate of people killed by guns in the US is 19.5 times higher than similar high-income countries in the world. In the last 30 years since 1982, America has mourned at least 61 mass murders. Below is a timeline of mass shootings in the US since the Columbine High massacre:

    December 11, 2012. On Tuesday, 22-year-old Jacob Tyler Roberts killed 2 people and himself with a stolen rifle in Clackamas Town Center, Oregon. His motive is unknown.

    September 27, 2012. Five were shot to death by 36-year-old Andrew Engeldinger at Accent Signage Systems in Minneapolis, MN. Three others were wounded. Engeldinger went on a rampage after losing his job, ultimately killing himself.

    August 5, 2012. Six Sikh temple members were killed when 40-year-old US Army veteran Wade Michael Page opened fire in a gurdwara in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Four others were injured, and Page killed himself.

    July 20, 2012. During the midnight premiere of The Dark Knight Rises in Aurora, CO, 24-year-old James Holmes killed 12 people and wounded 58. Holmes was arrested outside the theater.

    May 29, 2012. Ian Stawicki opened fire on Cafe Racer Espresso in Seattle, WA, killing 5 and himself after a citywide manhunt.

    April 6, 2012. Jake England, 19, and Alvin Watts, 32, shot 5 black men in Tulsa, Oklahoma, in racially motivated shooting spree. Three died.

    April 2, 2012. A former student, 43-year-old One L. Goh killed 7 people at Oikos University, a Korean Christian college in Oakland, CA. The shooting was the sixth-deadliest school massacre in the US and the deadliest attack on a school since the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre.

    February 27, 2012. Three students were killed by Thomas “TJ” Lane, another student, in a rampage at Chardon High School in Chardon, OH. Three others were injured.

    October 14, 2011. Eight people died in a shooting at Salon Meritage hair salon in Seal Beach, CA. The gunman, 41-year-old Scott Evans Dekraai, killed six women and two men dead, while just one woman survived. It was Orange County’s deadliest mass killing.

    September 6, 2011. Eduardo Sencion, 32, entered an IHOP restaurant in Carson City, NV and shot 12 people. Five died, including three National Guard members.

    July 7, 2011. Seven people were shot to death when Rodrick Dantzler went on a rampage in Grand Rapids, MI. He killed his ex-girlfriend, her sister, and her sister’s 10-year-old daughter, his ex-wife and their daughter before going on a rampage on the street
    January 8, 2011. Former Rep. Gabby Giffords (D-AZ) was shot in the head when 22-year-old Jared Loughner opened fire on an event she was holding at a Safeway market in Tucson, AZ. Six people died, including Arizona District Court Chief Judge John Roll, one of Giffords’ staffers, and a 9-year-old girl. 19 total were shot. Loughner has been sentenced to seven life terms plus 140 years, without parole.

    August 3, 2010. Omar S. Thornton, 34, gunned down Hartford Beer Distributor in Manchester, CT after getting caught stealing beer. Nine were killed, including Thornton, and two were injured.

    November 5, 2009. Forty-three people were shot by Army psychiatrist Nidal Malik Hasan at the Fort Hood army base in Texas. Hasan reportedly yelled “Allahu Akbar!” before opening fire, killing 13 and wounding 29 others.

    April 3, 2009. Jiverly Wong, 41, opened fire at an immigration center in Binghamton, New York before committing suicide. He killed 13 people and wounded 4.

    March 29, 2009. Eight people died in a shooting at the Pinelake Health and Rehab nursing home in Carthage, NC. The gunman, 45-year-old Robert Stewart, was targeting his estranged wife who worked at the home and survived. Stewart was sentenced to life in prison.

    February 14, 2008. Steven Kazmierczak, 27, opened fire in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University, killing 6 and wounding 21. The gunman shot and killed himself before police arrived. It was the fifth-deadliest university shooting in US history.

    February 7, 2008. Six people died and two were injured in a shooting spree at the City Hall in Kirkwood, Missouri. The gunman, Charles Lee Thornton, opened fire during a public meeting after being denied construction contracts he believed he deserved. Thornton was killed by police.

    December 5, 2007. A 19-year-old boy, Robert Hawkins, shot up a department store in the Westroads Mall in Omaha, NE. Hawkins killed 9 people and wounded 4 before killing himself. The semi-automatic rifle he used was stolen from his stepfather’s house.

    April 16, 2007. Virginia Tech became the site of the deadliest school shooting in US history when a student, Seung-Hui Choi, gunned down 56 people. Thirty-two people died in the massacre.

    February 12, 2007. In Salt Lake City’s Trolley Square Mall, 5 people were shot to death and 4 others were wounded by 18-year-old gunman Sulejman Talovi?. One of the victims was a 16-year-old boy.

    October 2, 2006. An Amish schoolhouse in Lancaster, PA was gunned down by 32-year-old Charles Carl Roberts, Roberts separated the boys from the girls, binding and shooting the girls. 5 young girls died, while 6 were injured. Roberts committed suicide afterward.

    March 25, 2006. Seven died and 2 were injured by 28-year-old Kyle Aaron Huff in a shooting spree through Capitol Hill in Seattle, WA. The massacre was the worst killing in Seattle since 1983.

    March 21, 2005. Teenager Jeffrey Weise killed his grandfather and his grandfather’s girlfriend before opening fire on Red Lake Senior High School, killing 9 people on campus and injuring 5. Weise killed himself.

    March 12, 2005. A Living Church of God meeting was gunned down by 44-year-old church member Terry Michael Ratzmann at a Sheraton hotel in Brookfield, WI. Ratzmann was thought to have had religious motivations, and killed himself after executing the pastor, the pastor’s 16-year-old son, and 7 others. Four were wounded.

    July 8, 2003. Doug Williams, a Lockheed Martin employee, shot up his plant in Meridian, MS in a racially-motivated rampage. He shot 14 people, most of them African American, and killed 7 before killing himself.

    December 26, 2000. Edgewater Technology employee Michael “Mucko” McDermott shot and killed seven of his coworkers at the office in Wakefield, MA. McDermott claimed he had “traveled back in time and killed Hitler and the last 6 Nazis.” He was sentenced to 7 consecutive life sentences.

    September 15, 1999. Larry Gene Ashbrook opened fire on a Christian rock concert and teen prayer rally at Wedgewood Baptist Church in Fort Worth, TX. He killed 7 people and wounded 7 others, almost all teenagers. Ashbrook committed suicide.

    July 29, 1999. Mark Orrin Barton, 44, murdered his wife and two children with a hammer before shooting up two Atlanta day trading firms. Barton, a day trader, was believed to be motivated by huge monetary losses. He killed 12 including his family and injured 13 before killing himself.

    April 20, 1999. In the deadliest high school shooting in US history, teenagers Eric Harris and Dylan Kiebold shot up Columbine High School in Littleton, CO. They killed 13 people and wounded 21 others. They killed themselves after the massacre.

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    I dont know what must be done, but its undeniable that something must be done! The U.S. government has been forced to face the sad reality that this issue must be addressed. During the weekend, political programs spoke with politicians about gun control. This will certainly be a hot topic during the foreseeable future. Please voice your opinions.

    P.S. The poll is not public, and allows for more than one choice also
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    Just curious, how many of those you listed involved assault rated weapons. That is the main downfall of the gun-control thing. If used in self defense or hunting, all's good. It should be black and white, no gray area.

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    Heres a link to a story that show all the weapons used in mass murders from 1982 to 2012

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...-shootings-map

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlin View Post
    Just curious, how many of those you listed involved assault rated weapons. That is the main downfall of the gun-control thing. If used in self defense or hunting, all's good. It should be black and white, no gray area.
    Ok, once again, I'm going to get blowback for this (from others I'm sure, not you merlin) BUT... the term 'assault weapon' is a completely political term, all an 'assault weapon' is, is a semi-automatic weapon that has cosmetic features that make it look like a military grade weapon, 'assault weapons' have no select fire capability meaning 1 trigger pull equals 1 round fired.
    What actually makes semi-automatic weapons more dangerous than single-shot weapons (bolt-action rifles, pump shotguns or revolvers primarily) is that they generally have or can have large magazines which means that the rate of fire is relatively high and can be sustained for longer. I can see and agree with the position that such magazines need to be banned I think (as Sen. Chuck Schumer proposed) that a maximum magazine size of 10 rounds or less is reasonable.
    The term 'assault weapon' is merely inflammatory and has no useful meaning, burst-fire and fully automatic weapons have been outlawed in the U.S. for nearly a century at this point and YES, some semi-auto weapons can be 'converted' to burst or fully automatic fire but this too is illegal.
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    Just an observation... u didn't include a choice for "none".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonicboom View Post
    Just an observation... u didn't include a choice for "none".
    Thank you for pointing that out SB, even though I personally believe that there IS room for tighter gun controls, I DO believe in the absolute necessity for the 2nd Amendment.

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    I also agree it should be more difficult to purchase ANY type of firearm. It really is too damn easy. Just my opinion.
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    One other thought on the poll.... since it concerns changes to U.S. law... shouldn't it only be voted on by those affected, U.S. members. I know there's no option for this but maybe the honors system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonicboom View Post
    Just an observation... u didn't include a choice for "none".
    Sorry for the omission, I will have a mod make the addition.

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    I don't want to revoke anyone's 2nd Amendment rights. I think it could be better, for a lack of better terms, policed. How many shells are you allowed to hunt waterfowl or gamebirds with? Is that too much to ask for? Make the rules universal and there will be no confusion. If my 30.06 holds one in the chamber and five in the mag., shouldn't that be the norm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonicboom View Post
    Just an observation... u didn't include a choice for "none".
    i would like to see options like no new laws but enforcing the ones we already have, or have a uniform law that is the same across the country, no mismatch laws that vary from state to state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wtfazzhole View Post
    i would like to see options like no new laws but enforcing the ones we already have, or have a uniform law that is the same across the country, no mismatch laws that vary from state to state.
    I just requested an addition in the forum issues. Being your here azz, you can add the options that you mentioned, I fine with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wtfazzhole View Post
    i would like to see options like no new laws but enforcing the ones we already have, or have a uniform law that is the same across the country, no mismatch laws that vary from state to state.
    I've got to agree w/ Azz on this ,too. Have you ever tried to carry from NC to Maine? Some states don't recognize your permits. Some states require you to keep firearms in a locked capacity, out of reach. Even in NC, some counties allow you to ride with loaded weapons whereas some don't. Uniformity!!!!!

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    Not that a comparison of murders and their numbers/methods is a valid arguement BUT....

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster


    The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, on May 18, 1927, which killed 38 elementary school children, two teachers, and four other adults; at least 58 people were injured. The perpetrator first killed his wife, and committed suicide with his last explosion. Most of the victims were children in the second to sixth grades (7–14 years of age[1]) attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest mass murder in a school in United States history.

    The bomber was the school board treasurer Andrew Kehoe, 55, who was angry after being defeated in the spring 1926 election for township clerk. He was thought to have planned his "murderous revenge" after that public defeat; he had a reputation for difficulty on the school board and in personal dealings. For much of the next year, a neighbor noticed Kehoe had stopped working on his farm and thought he might be planning suicide. During that period, Kehoe carried out steps in his plan to destroy the school and his farm by purchasing and hiding explosives.

    Kehoe's wife was ill with tuberculosis and he had stopped making mortgage payments; he was under pressure for foreclosure. Some time between May 16 and the morning of May 18, 1927, Kehoe murdered his wife by hitting her on the head. On the morning of May 18 about 8:45, he exploded incendiary devices in his house and farm buildings, setting them on fire and destroying them.

    Almost simultaneously, an explosion devastated the north wing of the school building, killing many schoolchildren. Kehoe had used a timed detonator to ignite dynamite and hundreds of pounds of incendiary pyrotol, which he had secretly planted inside the school over the course of many months. As rescuers gathered at the school, Kehoe drove up, stopped, and used a rifle to detonate dynamite inside his shrapnel-filled truck, killing himself, the school superintendent, and several others nearby, as well as injuring more bystanders. During rescue efforts at the school, searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds (230 kg) of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol planted throughout the basement of the south wing. Kehoe had apparently intended to blow up and destroy the whole school.

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    I just read that as well X, it seems like those with intent to kill will always find a way if they don't have a gun. The two deadliest attacks on US soil was perpetrated by planes and a car bomb.

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