MISC Celebrity Chat Thread

Do you realise that all of these award ceremonies are independent of each other. Do you think they jump on group chats to decide who should win..?

 

I LOVE her face. But I've never been into conventional or generic, so maybe I'm a weirdo

 

Yeah, like I said, it's a conspiracy theory. I don't know how true or false it is, it's just something I read and decided to mention since we were discussing the awards' legitimacy. I can't judge Mikey's acting because the only thing I saw of Anora were clips of the sexy scenes, so I prefer to refrain from criticizing her.

 

well, now you know

 

The film was magnetic. I watched it twice, and I almost never watch a show a second time. The rollout, the cast, brilliant

 

No... it wasn't the best film of the year but politics is always involved in academy awards.

 

Yes, I am aware. But also consider the possibility of groupthink in things like this. And outside PR campaigns/peer pressure.

It isn’t a coincidence that more often than not, the same people/projects win down the line at all the ceremonies each year.

You usually don’t see 4 different winners in one category at the BAFTA Awards, Golden Globes, Oscars and Screen Actors Guild Awards.

There is very rarely any diversity of thought. It’s a colossal hivemind with a few surprises sprinkled in to maintain the illusion of legitimacy.

Movie studios and record companies have been buying awards for a century. This isn’t exactly new.

JETHRO TULL won the very first Hard Rock/Metal Grammy in 1989…..

….over METALLICA.

I mean, what?

 

Thanks for your insight

 

I don't know if you're being a dick here? Did you read what I posted?

Mikey, and the show won in about half the times they were nominated Around the world. No conspiracy nutjobs needed to unpack that

 

And I can say this stuff confidently, because as I mentioned earlier, I loved it. Clearly most of the rest of the world did too.

But please keep explaining your conspiracy theories to me

I mean don't

 

I’m not talking about Anora.

I’m speaking generally.

 

How Green Was My Valley beat Citizen Kane in 1941.

Crash beat Brokeback Mountain in 2005.

In 2003, they gave Roman Polanski an Oscar for The Pianist. The same Roman Polanski who cannot be in this country on account of being convicted, in absentia, for raping a 13 year old girl.

They not only gave him an Oscar that year, they gave him a standing ovation.

Please, respectfully, do not tell me that award ceremonies aren’t often rigged for one reason or another.

 

It was a solid movie, and Mikey deserved her Oscar win, as it was truly someone becoming the character, she gave no hints in previous work that she had that in her, so it was well-deserved. Plus, kind of refreshing in this day and age that she has ZERO social media, her private life is just that, private. She just wants to act and live her life, which kind of contributes to the appeal which I bring up in regards to debate about her attractiveness, one thing missing from today's entertainment industry is mystery, now we seem to know and get to dissect every single word, thought and person a celeb has ever talked to going back to whenever they began to learn to speak thanks to social media, and cue the wars online about what makes them an awful human who should be cancelled or whatever and the sides of 'stans' and 'haters'. Don't have that with her, cause there is nothing to go on beyond reviews of performances or whatever interviews she gives.

Back to Anora winning Best Picture, it was a somewhat weak slate this year IMO, it probably doesn't win it in most years.

 

Again, we all see things differently. Anora was one of the most captivating films I've seen in a while, so I have no issues with the legitimacy of all the awards it won.

And Mikey has gone next level for me

 

Can't speak to movies so much. But for the grammys I am a voting member. I'm a concert photographer and I've had pictures used in commercial releases so I get a vote as a creator. It's not "fixed" so much as it's a lot of collution and payoffs.

The way it works is every voter gets 16 votes. One vote for each of the 6 general categories, like album of the year. Then frim there you can pick 10 categories from 3 genres.

There are 2 rounds. First is nominating round. You can pick literally anything. You get bombarded for a month before voting with "for your consideration" packets. Your email will be flooded, and some even send physical gifts.

This is where collution happens. Record labels and production companies will come together to make sure all their people are voting for the same thing.

I'm a voter in Pop genre. Ever see an album nominated and was like wtf is this doing there? If you have an album with 13 tracks, each one written by a different writer. Different producers, artist collaborations, recorded in different locations with different engineers, a shit ton of studio musicians. You can literally have thousands of people involved, who will all get votes since they are on a commercial release. They all come together to vote for that.

In the first round since you can choose literally anything, and something like 80% of people either don't vote or only vote for themselves that alone can get you nominated.

That's how Jethro Tull even got nominated. That album had a million studio musicians

Take Beyonce Cowboy Carter last year. It was recorded at 14 different studios. There were 46 different engineers. There were 51 producers. There were 109 with song writing credits. There were 248 studio musicians. And it was released on 2 record labels. There was no way it wasn't getting nominated in every category they wanted to

Then there is round 2 where more colluding, but the payoffs come

Say you have an artist nominated that is on Columbia Records. They will go around to their whole roster telling people "if you vote for so and so we will give you some time to record at Electric Lady or The Hit Factory" which are recording studios that are next to impossible to get into. Or they will get Pharell to produce one of their songs. Or they will get you to open for a major act. The labels basically bride or threaten everyone on their roster who is not a top 20 talent to vote for who they say to vote for.

Then there is the people like me who they try to buy off. They don't outright say it, but it's pretty obvious.

Example. So if I'm contracted from somewhere to take picture, I get my fee which ranges from anywhere from $400 to $5000 per show. They buy my plane ticket, usually economy plus, pay for hotel, which is usually along the lines of a Holliday Inn. Then get $300 a day for meals and transportation.

If there is just a show I really want to go to then I freelance. Pay it all out of pocket, license the pics through wire and Getty and hope for the best. Usually I lose money on those.

But during voting season, every year I'll have at least one person nominated for something where the label will contract me for multiple shows, usually in major cities. Pay me more than my quote. Better airfare, better hotels, better access at the shows. I submit my pics and they are never used. There will always WAY more photographers there than normal cause they seem to do us in bulk. And we all get the same story about how awesome the artist is and how they are pulling for them to win the grammy. And how it will be so great to work with me in the future

I vote in the 6 general, pop, rock, and alternative. And every year I can tell with pretty much 100% accuracy who is going to win in all 16 of my categories just by how the record labels act

In 1989 the problem was Metallica was on Elektra records which had ZERO pull at the time. Was years before they hooked up with Warner. And worse Iggy Pop was also nominated on the same label so they split some votes. But Jethro Tull was on Chrysalis which had the power of Capital, Atlantic, Virgin, and Geffen behind them as global distributors. Jane's addition was an indie so had no chance. And AC/DC was on atlantic but had just moved to CBS and only keeping atlantic for European distribution so Atlantic wrote them off and put their weight Behind Jethro Tull

The voting really has nothing to do with quality. There are 100s of albums every year that blow the nominees away. It's nothing but collusion, bribes, and politics

 

Whoa, holy shit dude, thank for sharing all that.

I''m not being sarcastic this time, genuinely appreciate some real insight into this!

 

This is very informative, and also very depressing. Makes you think it's completely pointless to even bother trying. Basically, just look into whoever works with the most people among the nominees and that will be the winner.

 

@Guyute729 That is an incredible answer and very much appreciated.